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Around the Farm: November 21, 2014

Around the Farm: November 21, 2014
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November 22, 2014
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Around the Farm (ATF) takes a quick look at some of yesterday’s performances by Indians prospects throughout the system. This is a special fall and winter ball version of ATF that recaps all the offseason action by Indians players in the Arizona Fall League (AFL) and the Caribbean Leagues. The positions listed below are where the player was playing in yesterday’s game.

Note, the news was good on Friday for Indians third base prospect Giovanny Urshela. After reports surfaced out of Venezuela earlier in the week that he had torn the PCL in his left knee, Indians doctors evaluated him and reviewed an MRI on Friday and determined he only had a PCL sprain and that no surgery would be required. He is expected to start the season on time. At least at this juncture the Indians and Urshela look like they dodged a major bullet.


Francisco Lindor (Puerto Rico, starting SS) - 0-2, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 E - Lindor had a rough night both at the plate and in the field in Veracruz as his Puerto Rican side lost the Bronze Medal Game to the Dominican Republic 8-1.  Lindor finished the tournament going 2-for-13, with 4 R,1 RBI, and 3 BB playing in all five games (three group games, a semifinal, and Friday night's Bronze Medal Game).  This performance is likely the result of an exhausted player (has been playing since March) running out of fuel and hitting the proverbial wall.  Hopefully, he isn't planning to play any more winter ball as this could turn into an extended version of Jesus Aguilar's late offseason struggles last winter.


Ryan Battaglia (Brisbane Bandits, RF/3B) - 2-3, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 BB, 1 K, Caught Stealing 1 time - Battaglia has a second strong night at the plate in his last three ballgames and overcomes a rough start to Round 4 of the ABL season in Thursday night's series opener.


Audy Ciriaco (Estrellas Orientales, 3B) - 1-3, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 SB - Not an impressive line at first glance but in reality a solid night for Ciriaco, showing the type of talent that led the Indians to bring him back as a depth option.


Carlos Moncrief (Aguilas del Zulia, RF) - 0-3, 1 BB - Moncrief has struggled as of late (posting only a .226/.273/.290 slash line in his last 10 games, including Friday night) and needs to avoid having nights like this too often.

User Comments

November 23, 2014 - 12:28 AM EST
Walter, there's chatter they want to move some cash, and Bruce may be one of their options to free up some salary. Considering they have four SP that will be FA it's reasonable, IMO that they look to resign one or two and possibly deal the other(s). Idk, maybe they would consider moving Bruce bc they want to free salary to resign some pitching. Then there's the fact he would not negotiate a contract extension with them, just saying, that may factor in.
November 22, 2014 - 11:16 PM EST
The Reds would be stupid to trade Bruce. Bruce's market value is low based on his injured 2014 season. The Reds want to make a run in 2015 hoping that both Bruce and Votto both being healthy in 2015.The best chance to get Bruce is the Reds fallout of contention before the Trade deadline. If that happens, the Reds will have one huge fire sale in which Bruce, Phillips, Cueto, Chapman, Latos, Bailey, Simon and Leake would become available.
November 22, 2014 - 8:08 PM EST

I barely rated Lindor above Zimmer. I really like Zimmer, who I think could become a Jay Bruce type RF for the Tribe. As for trading Lindor, I'm open to it. I've seen too many cant miss prospects flop or fail to meet excessive expectations. I think Lindor will develop into an MLB AS caliber SS, but I suspect he's not the premier player (MVP candidate) some ppl make him out to be.

As for trading for Seager and SVS...hmm...interesting idea, I think I'd make it. In fact I would take either of the Seager brothers. I think SVS is a very real possibility for the Tribe. Maybe they can flip CC Lee or Austin Adams for him.

Since I mentioned him, I think Jay Bruce is an intriguing option if the Tribe would pony up to get him. Obviously, he's a LH hitter, so adding a guy like Emilio Bonaficio would be a necessity. That is, a RH bat or SH that could fill in various roles. What would it take to get Bruce? The Reds have four SP that are set to be FA at the end of the yr so I would imagine they'll request one of Bauer or Salazar plus a big league ready prospect or two.y
November 22, 2014 - 3:56 PM EST
Good comments..Yes, Francisco Lindor (FL) is a special talent.. and has ML'er written all over his future, but, he really hasn't seen his project status continue on the same upward trajectory.. If his ability levels or plateau's where he's at, he'd be an okay ML SS with great range and hands.. He'd be a lot like Omar at about the same age.. The Indians don't have to push FL due to the presence of guys like Mike Aviles, Zach Walters, Jose Ramirez and Jason Kipnis. FL is also being pushed, some, with a little older SS, Erik Gonzalez. Gonzalez will probably start the year in Akron.. There's also a kid the Indians signed from Taiwan. Yu-cheng Chang.. who, according to Johnny Goryl.. is a helluva player..

The thought of trading the Indians # 1 prospect.. is okay with me (I don't rate FL as the number 1).. The return has to be someone that will be able to come in and FILL a role as the same or better level than FL does (Lindor is projected to start the 2015 season at SS for Columbus, get about 300+ AB's and only be promoted if an emergent situation arises such as an injury)..The trade that I could see. would be.. Corey Seager/SVS from LAD for Lindor/Walters.. something like that..

November 22, 2014 - 2:40 PM EST
Lindor is young for the level, something I always use to gage talent / ability to adapt to a higher talent level progressing throughout the players minor league career. Urshela is a fine example, of a young player performing well, although, somewhat under "some" expectations.

I'm not giving Lindor a pass here, I think he has underwhelmed somewhat, but, then again, he's a player I'm convinced will be a qlty major leaguer. As for Erik Gonzalez, he's a bit young for dbl AA, but was impressive there. He's a guy some people are convinced is a boom/bust prospect. I think he will be a qlty major league player, but not at the level of Lindor.

As I think about it, I would hate to see them move any of the three... JRam, Lindor, and Gonzalez, but with Kipnis and Walters tying up 2b, then Chisenhall and Urshela at third, maybe the best scenario is to trade one of the three, but for what? Obviously, a bat or SP.

If the Indians could get Taylor or Springer for Lindor, I would make that deal. They have qlty players at SS, but they lack that star qlty player / bat in the system that Springer or Taylor would bring.

Perhaps, the Tribe ends up trading JRam / Gonzalez for a young SP like Noah Syndergaard or maybe more realistically, Rafael Montero.
November 22, 2014 - 2:02 PM EST
Arthur, I do not subscribe to he Lindor being exhausted line. He had a lot of time off past 12 months with the back injury and he's what 21 yrs old? If he were thirty something I would buy it. I think a lot of the excitement about Lindor is personality driven- He looks the part, he talks the part, he's flashy on the field and off. But the fact of the matter is he has yet to put up great numbers. Decent numbers yes, great numbers no. I think if you can get somebody to trade a George Springer or Michael Taylor type outfield prospect for him based on the projection that he will someday put up great numbers, you jump on it. If you just look at the numbers and leave the hype and personalities out of it, Erik Gonzalez can do pretty much everything Lindor can on a ball field. Got the news we were anticipating on Urshela- tweek/PT and no surgery. That's freakin' awesome.
November 22, 2014 - 1:07 PM EST
Great news re Urshela. When I heard he had scored easily after the "injury" I was hopeful.

The next few weeks will be a good opportunity to work on upper body and wrist strength.

November 22, 2014 - 12:00 PM EST
Middle infield depth at the ML level is very comforting. No doubt Lindor will be fine, but having the ability to not rush him is great.

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