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Around the Farm: October 12, 2014

Around the Farm: October 12, 2014
Giovanny Urshela (Photo: AP)
October 13, 2014
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Around the Farm takes a quick look at some of yesterday’s performances by Cleveland prospects throughout the system. The positions listed below are where the player was playing in yesterday’s game.

Note, the Arizona Fall League was off on Sunday. Other winter leagues will soon start up as the Dominican Winter League begins on October 17th and the Puerto Rico Winter League starts on October 30th.

Venezuela Winter League

Giovanny Urshela (3B, Aguilas del Zulia): 1-for-4. It looks like Urshela is set to get a lot of playing time out inVenezuela as he has played in and started all four of his team’s games. While winter stats are to be taken with a grain of salt, this is a great opportunity for him to take yet another step forward with the bat, become a little more consistent with it, and put himself firmly on the path to becoming the Indians everyday third baseman at some point next season.

Carlos Moncrief (RF, Aguilas del Zulia): 2-for-3, BB, K. Like Urshela, it looks like Moncrief is set to play a ton for his Zulia team. He’s off to a blazing red hot start piling up multi-hit games in all four of his games he has played and is 9-for-13 (.692) with 2 walks and 3 strikeouts. He has not done much from a production standpoint as he does have just one extra base hit and no RBI’s, but the consistency of his at bats is great to see and something we hope continues through the duration of his winter ball season.

Alex Monsalve (C, Bravos de Margarita): 0-for-0. Monsalve entered the game in the ninth inning after the starting catcher reached base in the eighth inning and was pinch run for. He has played in three games, though only started one of those games and been a late game defensive replacement in the other two.

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User Comments

October 15, 2014 - 4:12 PM EDT
Chisenhall is 26, his stats are expected to trend upwards, so if we take his current career stats, trend them upwards to maybe .750-.775 OPS next year with an improved defense from this year (can't be any worse and he has never played this badly before) then is that worth the upgrade to Donaldson if it would not only cost Chisenhall but one of our top MIF prospects as well as a starter? (Package proposed elsewhere).
October 13, 2014 - 7:50 PM EDT
I'm with you Homer and Tony... all aboard the Donaldson train.
Tony, I'm curious if Cody Anderson still has reasonable value after his down season?
Think Frazier would draw interest from the A's?
Just spitballing, obviously. I need to go play some franchise mode and get this out of my system!
October 13, 2014 - 3:34 PM EDT
And the half season splits is a convenient way to make Chisenhall look better than he is. He is nowhere close to the player he was in the first half, that was an anomaly. I think comparing the two over their career would be better:

Chisenhall (1215 PA): .260/.310/.417/.727, 104 wRC+, 3.0 WAR
Donaldson (1691 PA): .268/.347/.458/.805, 127 wRC+, 15.3 WAR

Donaldson is a significant improvement to this team if they could acquire him.
October 13, 2014 - 3:30 PM EDT
Chisenhall is nowhere close to the player that Donaldson is. For one, Donaldson is a vastly superior defender. The Indians greatest need is defense and the one spot they will probably look to fill it is at third base. Secondly, Donaldson is a right-handed hitter and has more power and would fit into the scheme of the lineup better to bring more balance to it. Thirdly, I agree that Donaldson's batting average and such was not pretty, but he also played in Oakland which is a pitcher's haven. The only area the two are close is that Chisenhall is probably a better "hitter" but Donaldson the better approach and more power and production/impact ability with the bat....and of course really impacts with his defense. I would do any deal including Chisenhall and JRam for Donaldson though I understand it would probably take a pitcher in return like Bauer or Salazar. I'd torn on that.....but would strongly consider it still because of the impact to the greatness area of need: defense and lineup balance.
October 13, 2014 - 2:00 PM EDT
While those two lines and Donaldson's comp to Chisenhall is all well and good. One thing to note is that Donaldson played most of his games in a pitcher's park while Progressive Field is more even or slightly a hitters park. I'd look to acquire Donaldson if the Athletics would be enticed with Chiz and J-Ram. Unfortunately, I have a feeling the A's will want pitching or Lindor also and I am loathe to part with either.
October 13, 2014 - 1:53 PM EDT
The infatuation continues...While I don't disagree with the acquisition of talent.. there should be a focus that allows the club to make strides that will matter the most...

Which of these two triple slash lines would be "acceptable" for the Indians 3B slot:

In 314 AB's: .288 / .392 / ..531 with 18 homers and 58 RBI's
in 294 AB's: .220 / . 288 / .381 with 11 homers and 26 RBI's

It would appear to be an easy choice.. both.. as those numbers represent April, May and August for Josh Donaldson while the second triple slash represents June, July and September.. So for half of his season, Josh Donaldson would look great in the Indians lineup.. the other half.. not so good..

Kind of like the guy that's already there ( in 478 AB's,) Lonnie had his good months (April May and June, 220 AB's 8 homers 36 RBI's, .345 / . .402 / . 548) and bad months 258 AB's 5 homers , 23 RBI's .224 / .295 / .323) the same way.. The biggest difference.. this was Lonnie's first year of starting the entire way..

Josh Donaldson as the main target. seems like a redo of what the Indians already have. I like Urshela as well.. Hopefully, he'll take on more of a role..In the interim.. the Indians will never ever stop needing guys like him.. but at other spots.. That's where the focus should be.. ..
October 13, 2014 - 10:45 AM EDT
As much as I like Urshela - think he's been vastly underrated - I still think the right move for the Tribe might be to pursue a RH hitting 3b like Josh Donaldson. I've always said, Urshela could be an everyday 3b hitting .250-260 15 hrs and GG defense, but his bat has improved to about .260-.270 15-18 hrs - that's definately valuable and he'd be a tradeable commodity. But I don't think the Indians trust his bat just yet and he's still very young for AAA. I could see him him being a mid-season call up.

I'm all about drafting & developing their own talent, making shrewd trades, international signings, and signing a few FA to supplement the club. However, I think this club is at the fringe of becoming legit WS contenders and should push a move like Donaldson - adding a legit star 3b, a RH power bat to the lineup and legitimizing the club as serious WS contenders. That's not to say, they have it all, but adding a player like Donaldson would make a huge impact on the lineup and infield defense.

Think of this...
3 Brantley
4 Donaldson
5 Santana
6 Gomes
For the next 3 yrs.

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