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Around the Farm: September 5, 2014

Around the Farm: September 5, 2014
Cody Anderson (Photo: Brittany Chay)
September 6, 2014
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Around the Farm takes a quick look at some of yesterday’s performances by Cleveland prospects throughout the system. The positions listed below are where the player was playing in yesterday’s game.

Cody Anderson (Akron, SP) – L (0-1), 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R (earned), 1 BB, 4 K, 1 BK – While Cody’s first full season inDouble-A was often uneven, to say the least, what may very possibly be his final outing of the season was a very good one.  Unfortunately, the offense and bullpen could not capitalize on it to bring themselves to within a win of the Eastern League Championship Series and they lost 1-0.  Hopefully, this performance was a sign of what to expect in 2015.

Elliot Johnson (Columbus, DH) – 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 2 K – Johnson’s homer to lead off the top of the fifth was the first of two back-to-back shots that provided all of the Clippers scoring on a rough offensive night that saw them fall 3-2 to the Durham Bulls (Rays) and come within a game of elimination from the International League Governor’s Cup Playoffs.

  • Ryan Rohlinger (Columbus, 2B) – 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 Sac Bunt – Rohlinger had the second round tripper of the night for the Clippers and the other half of the offense on the evening.
  • Francisco Lindor (Columbus, SS) - 1-4, 2 K, CS. The Indians are in no hurry to bring Lindor to Cleveland, and it this point it looks more and more like he won't go to Cleveland even when Columbus' season ends. He's having a nice playoff showing hitting .462 in three games.
  • James Ramsey (Columbus, CF) - 1-4, 2B, 2 K. Ramsey has three hits in 12 at bats this postseason with two of them going for extra bases. He also now has 5 strikeouts in those 12 at bats.
  • Giovanny Urshela (Columbus, 3B) - 1-4. Urshela is now 4-for-11 in his three playoff games with 2 RBI and has a 1:1 walk to strikeout ratio.
  • Carlos Moncreif (Columbus, RF) - 0-3, BB, 2 K - It has been a rough go of things for Moncrief this postseason as he is 0-for-6 with 4 strikeouts in three games played. 
  • Luke Carlin (Columbus, C) – 1-2, 1 BB – Carlin gets mentioned for being the only Clipper other than Johnson to get on base multiple times on the night.
  • Shaun Marcum (Columbus, SP) – L (0-1), 3.2 IP, 5 H, 3 R (all earned), 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HR allowed – Not the kind of outing you want to have in the playoffs. He got the start and quickly put the Clippers in a 3-0 hole in the second outing they were never able to pull themselves out of.
  • Adam Miller (Columbus, RP) – 2 IP, 1 H, 1 K – If this is the final outing of Miller’s comeback season, it will have ended on a positive note. Hopefully he and the Indians mutally agree to have him return as an Indian next season.
  • Erik Gonzalez (Akron, SS) – 1-3, 1 BB, 1K – Gonzalez was one of only two RubberDucks to get on base twice, and the only one to do so without an asterisk attached to the feat (see Joe Wendle below), on a night when the Mallards of Main Street fell 1-0 to the Richmond Flying Squirrels (Giants) to find themselves on the brink of elimination.
  • Joe Wendle (Akron, 2B) – 1-2, 1 BB – The asterisk here is that the walk was intentional. The RubberDucks offense was kept on ice in this one as they managed no runs on three hits and three walks.
  • Justin Toole (Akron, 3B) – 1-3, 1 K – I am literally including anyone who got a hit in this game. In the process they lost a chance to win a very winnable game after a nice pitching performance from their teammates and lost a pivotal game in the series in the process.
  • Giovanni Soto (Akron, RP) - 1.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K. Soto followed Anderson's lead with a very good outing. Akron pitching was almost as good on the night allowing just 1 run on 7 hits and 2 walks, just Richmond found a way to string a few hits together and get a clutch hit to push the lone run of the game across the board in the third inning.

User Comments

troy
September 7, 2014 - 3:48 PM EDT
Stanton would cost a kings Ransom like the Kevin Love deal the Cavz made. Lindor-Frazier and Salazar might get it done.
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 2:45 PM EDT
Robert,

i didn't see the Sellers comments about Lindor but will check them out
Robert
September 6, 2014 - 2:12 PM EDT
CA has really added depth to the OF position.

Walters, Ramsey and now Shuck. That assumes Walters future is in the OF. It would be interesting to know what their plans for him are next year.

I suspect the team will look very different next year.

Note in this morning's PD Sellers raving comments about Lindor.

Bob
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 1:27 PM EDT
Robert,

I would have no issue with trading Kipnis either. In fact, I would trade Kipnis before I would trade Chisenhall. I think Chisenhall is the better hitter. I do like to send Chisenhall to RF and then signing or trading for a nice 3B. I totally agree in that using JRam as a utility guy is a utter waste and if they can't use him then I assure you, you will have about 29 other teams looking to acquire his services. The bottom line is that the Indians have some sorting they need to do and it's a good thing because they don't need a ton at the Major League level and can really stock farm system even more with trading away redundant assets and drafting well
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 1:24 PM EDT
Robert,

yes that's me that use to call the radio stations
Tondo
September 6, 2014 - 1:15 PM EDT
Would Chis+Lindor+Aguilar be enough to net Stanton? Throw in some OF (Holt?) or controllable arm (Hagadone?). I would probably do this, to save Lindor though I would be willing to give them EGonz+Naquin/Frazier or Kipnis

Chis,Frazier,Aguilar,EGonz,Hagadone or Chis, Kipnis, Aguilar,EGonz+?? Too much? Not enough? Imagine an INF defense of Urshela, Lindor, JRam and Santana....and a lineup of:

Bourn
Lindor
Brantley
Stanton
Gomes
Santana
Swish
Urshela
JRam

At least try....
Greg
September 6, 2014 - 1:13 PM EDT
I was at the game in Richmond. Box score does not show what an incredibly well-played game this was. There were about 10 line drive outs caught by the squirrels. Only bad at bat was miles absolutely flailing at three pitches he could not hit when the bases were loaded. Erik Gonzalez looked big league with two spectacular plays in the field and a very good eye at the plate. Looked like the man amongst boys.
shy
September 6, 2014 - 1:03 PM EDT
I think any everyday lineup that includes Bourn and Swisher is not going to take the Indians to October in 2015. They're going to have to figure another way to move forward. I do like the idea of a Giancarlo Stanton in right and cleanup, who wouldn't. Every team has plenty to trade for Stanton. Maybe the Indians trade Kipnis, Santana, Austin Adams, Carlos Moncrief and a 57 Chevy to the Marlins. I wouldn't mind seeing Chisenhall at first Urshela at third, Lindor and J Ram up the middle, Brantley in center.
Robert
September 6, 2014 - 12:58 PM EDT
Great discussion guys. Hiram - I assume I have heard you on talk radio - am I correct?

My thought is that we need one trade of quality for quality. The quality I see in surplus is Kipnis. I would see what we could get for him and give 2b to J Ram. I love to watch that kid play. He seems like he plain and simply is having fun. He is very young and should only get better. The thought of making him a utility player seems wasteful. Additionally J Ram puts another right handed bat in the order against lefties. Watching Kipnis in the 10th last night was painful. I also think Chiz could go RF is we get a good 3b.

Bob



Bob
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 11:23 AM EDT
Tony,


I do love your thinking about Stanton but they will rape our farm system in the process. I would be interested in seeing would it would take. I can tell you that they would want Lindor in any deal if they were to listen to offers. Tony, as you know I am very much interested in giving Aguilar a chance. I know from what you've told me that he isn't Manny or anything like that but not so sure we must have that. I was thinking of him being a .260, 20-75 guy which is perfect for what this team needs. Where to play him I would leave up to them but that's the guys.

If the Indians were going the FA route, I would look toward a Rios or a Melky Cabrera type to play in the OF and then look to deal a Kipnis for something to stash for later down the road. I also wouldn't be mad if they decided to look for a late inning RP even though the confidence in CC Lee is starting to pay off and the Indians are loaded with RP that throw hard. It shows that the Indians have a ton of options and are going to be good for a long time.
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 11:01 AM EDT
Roger,

ineffectiveness and injuries do occur during the season so i would look to add quality depth in AAA and AA just in case. It's such a long season and the beauty of baseball is that if you look at your team at the beginning of the year it's always a completely different team by the end of the year. I'm saying this because you never know what can happen but you need to have depth in case of the worse scenarios do occur. Look at Salazar at the beginning of the year and look at him now and look at where Bauer was at the beginning of the year.
Tony
September 6, 2014 - 11:01 AM EDT
Anderson bouncing back next year would be huge. He's probably in line to spend at least half the season at Akron again to re-establish himself and regain his consistency. He's probably not a ML option any earlier than the All Star break next year, and that is assuming all goes well the first 2-3 months of the season.

The Indians right now have control of 8 starters for next season: Kluber, Salazar, Bauer, Carrasco, House, McAllister, Tomlin and Maronde. That's some pretty good depth even in light of injuries. They will have Colon and Roberts as possible options for later in the season along with Anderson.....so I would expect them to sign 1-2 ML veteran starters to minor league deals along the lines of Kazmir, Marcum and Harang to give them depth in spring training to immediately turn to and to possibly even stash at Columbus for 2-3 months as depth. They should spend ZERO guaranteed dollars on starting pitching this offseason.

I'd be all for using some of this depth in the upper levels, particularly the position players, to go get a big bat with several years of control via free agency. It may be a pipedream, but I'd love to acquire Stanton. His bat changes the entire complexion of this lineup:

1. Bourn, CF
2. Ramirez/Lindor, SS
3. Brantley, LF
4. Stanton, RF
5. Santana, 1B
6. Gomes, C
7. Chisenhall, 3B
8. Swisher, DH
9. Kipnis, 2B
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 10:49 AM EDT
Yeah,

I would like to add a couple of guys for AAA but I think the five guys you have should be the five guys that you start the season with. They've shown nothing to indicate that they can't be trusted going forward. Signing expensive FA's just because they have experience isn't the way to go when you have a five man rotation that's young and getting the job done. Getting 1-2 guys to stash in AAA just in case is the way to go instead of trying to sooth the public by saying I got a guy who has done it even though I gave him a contract that I didn't want to give him

Ppl bitch and moan about Swisher, Bourn and Murphy when the Indians had no one now they have guys and you still want to sign other guys, give deals. This line of thinking makes absolutely zero sense, IMO

They way that CA is using this team he would be foolish to trade the prospects because the farm system is being used in case of injuries, ineffectiveness so they won't have to go and trade for guys who are expensive so that the fans, media can have something to talk about. Another thing is that for what the team needs it's not necessary to do so because they can trade from the major league roster guys whom they don't need and guys who are redundant because of the productive farm system. Also, some of the guys you named aren't close to being ready for the major league roster and won't be on next years team either. They need time to develop and some won't even develop.


Keep using the farm system to supplement the current roster instead of going out and trading prospects without knowing what you have to try to give the public something to talk about and sooth them by saying " I got someone proven"... Over the course of the year if you are confident in your ability to know your own talent it will rise to the top when you need it the most. Look at the current team. Look at how may farm hands have saved this team


Jose Ramirez
Trevor Bauer
CC Lee
Robert Perez
Tyler Holt
Kyle Crockett
Danny Salazar
Nick Hagadone
Zach Walters

and I can go on and on. THe point is that yes the Indians will need to add depth but as far as the starting five is concerned they've proven they deserve every opportunity to come in and start next year and forgo signing older, expensive FA's in the rotation so you can get excited about making moves.
Homer
September 6, 2014 - 10:20 AM EDT
I disagree, I don't think the Tribe can approach next season with the mentality that they are set with their pitching staff. You can never have too much SP. God forbid, but what if Kluber or any one of Bauer, Carrasco and Salazar get injured next season? What if one or two are simply ineffective? They need SP on the cusp of a call up. I'm a pitching first guy, draft, sign, trade, get more pitching. Because when you have an abundance of SP, you have options...ineffectiveness, injuries will bite this club, but if they have ridiculous depth they can get whatever they need. Look at Naquin, Anderson and Wendle, injuries and ineffectiveness will bite into the teams depth too. Three of the clubs top 10 prospects going into the season. There there's guys like RRod and Paulino, again, top (20? Perhaps 10?) prospects entering the season.

I'll give this org. credit... the farm system is much, much deeper than yrs before. The club should have some serious problems in a few yrs. That is, identifying the keepers and the others they are willing to utilize to supplement this club where and when needed. Some likely fall into both categories. My point is, there will be some tough roster decisions to make in the near future. I think the talent is best used packaged together to net pieces they'll need at a championship run.

Think of it this way...why add guys like Zimmer, Allen and even Ramsey, when the club has guys like Holt, Naquin and Frazier that can man CF? Options, and talent acquisition. It's about seizing opportunities to add talent, (example: JB Shuck) that will later fill a need (or play a role), become key components of the team or be utilized in acquiring the necessary talent to create and extend a competitive team year to year. I think this org. depth is beginning to show with things looking promising in the future.
Roger
September 6, 2014 - 9:46 AM EDT
although hiram they have very talented young rotation to capitalize on right now so help isnt emminently needed
Hiram
September 6, 2014 - 9:03 AM EDT
Indians need Cody Anderson to bounce back in a major way next year to go along with Merritt and Morimando I do realize that the pitching in the system is down in Carolina and further so getting Anderson right to go along with the others is crucial because it adds necessary depth which you will need during the season.


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