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Indians sign Gavin Floyd to one year deal

Indians sign Gavin Floyd to one year deal
Gavin Floyd (Photo: AP)
December 16, 2014
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The Cleveland Indians have signed free agent right-handed pitcher Gavin Floyd to a one-year $4 million deal for the 2015 season. The deal also includes an additional $6 million in performance bonuses tied to the number or starts he makes and innings he pitches next season.

Floyd, 31, owns a career Major League record of 72-72 with a 4.40 ERA in 208 appearances/196 starts with the Philadelphia Phillies, Chicago White Sox and Atlanta Braves. He posted double-digit victories while making at least 29 starts with the White Sox over five consecutive seasons from 2008-12, finishing 10th in the American League in innings pitched (206.1) with a career-high 17 wins in 2008.  He was the fourth overall pick of the first round in the 2001 First-Year Player Draft by the Phillies and was eventually traded to the White Sox prior to the 2007 campaign, where he spent seven seasons pitching in the American League Central Division.

In 2013, Floyd was limited to five starts in his final season in Chicago due to reconstructive right elbow surgery that resulted in Tommy John surgery. He returned last season and only made nine starts starts and posted a 2.65 ERA (54.1 IP, 55 H, 16 ER, 13 BB, 45 K) with the Atlanta Braves before his season ended on June 19th because of a right elbow fracture.

GM Chris Antonetti informed media members on Tuesday that Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, Trevor Bauer and Floyd all have spot in the rotation for 2015. He said Danny Salazar, Zach McAllister, T.J. House and Josh Tomlin will battle for the fifth and final spot. All of them have minor league options remaining except McAllister. Salazar used all three of his options, but the club was awarded a fourth option year because he has just four professional seasons with at least 90 days on the active roster. 

The Indians had been seeking out depth options for the rotation this offseason. The move is somewhat of a surprise as it guarantees him a spot in the opening day rotation, which means if there are no injuries this spring that one of Salazar or House - if not both - are ticketed to open the 2015 season at Triple-A Columbus.

It is a low cost to pay to see if Floyd rebounds and can be the solid rotation arm he was with the White Sox, and if the gamble does not work out then it is just $3.5 million the Indians will have eaten ($500K would be paid to someone anyway). If that happens they should have a few good options to pick from with whichever one of House or Bauer is in Columbus along with Zach McAllister and Josh Tomlin.

One thing to note is this is not a similar situation to Scott Kazmir two years ago. Kazmir signed a minor league deal with no roster or money guarantee. The deal for Floyd places him on the 25-man roster right now and the $4 million is guaranteed.

It also means that someone else is coming off the 40-man roster. David Murphy could be traded, but if he is not the most likely DFA candidate appears to be Nick Maronde.

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User Comments

Homer
December 18, 2014 - 8:03 PM EST
Just to clarify, I'm no Brian Wilsn fan, but $500K is a bargain if he regains form.
alton
December 17, 2014 - 11:15 PM EST
Antonetti's announcement was common sense Shy, there was no way any of those top four were getting bounced out of the rotation. The other four have the most to prove so they'll battle it out. Floyd is a known commodity getting guaranteed dollars, if he's healthy he should start.

@Homer Pass on Wilson, i'd rather give good guaranteed money to Casey Janssen, Rafael Soriano, or Francisco Rodriguez than take a flier on Axford part deux. Wilson was terrible in a pitcher's park, in the weaker offensive league, no thanks, he's done. I'd bet Pestano has better numbers than him next year.
Homer
December 17, 2014 - 12:00 PM EST
CL Who,
$500K isn't much for a potential bullpen arm with closing ability. Worth a flier IMHO.
Homer
December 17, 2014 - 11:56 AM EST
Shy if they are devastated by the news the Indians signed Floyd and plugged him on the rotation for next yr they probably would've never made it in the bigs to begin with. I think it's quite the contrary the Indians continually look to give themselves option, which has translated into depth. From depth competition.
Dennis
December 17, 2014 - 11:51 AM EST
GSon I think your are under rating Austin Hedges.
C L Who
December 17, 2014 - 11:24 AM EST
Homer,

Wilson is available for almost free, as the Dodgers are on the hook for his 9.5 MM salary. Unfortunately, the Dodgers DFAd him for a reason, which is the same reason he shouldn't be pitching in Cleveland.
Shy
December 17, 2014 - 11:13 AM EST
I think Antonetti is a idiot for announcing his 2015 starting rotation in December. There is no reason to destroy the morale of kids like House, McCallister, Salazar before Christmas, let alone before spring-training. Is Antonetti an a hole or he is just unthinking? It's just another example of Antonetti tunnel vision. Instead of looking in his private tunnel 24/7 maybe he should look behind him at the White Sox.
Homer
December 17, 2014 - 8:51 AM EST
If the Indians trade Murphy will they look for a piece to add to the bullpen? Maybe one of the experienced closers come cheap when January roles around.

There's three, maybe four that might interest the Indians...
Casey Janssen
Rafael Soriano
Francisco Rodriguez
Brian Wilson

And a cpl of others...Sergio Romo, and Joba Chamberlain that could help out.

The Tribe reportedly had some interest in Wilson last yr, he should clear DFA waivers and sign for major league minimum. He will get paid $9.5M by the Dodgers to pitch elsewhere next season. Might be a reunion with SF in his future.

Outside of Jung Ho Kang there doesn't seem to be many useful bats left, unless, they could land one in a trade. So fortifying the bullpen maybe the next step.
Tony
December 17, 2014 - 8:40 AM EST
I'm one of those who believe Salazar should continue to start. If he is not in Cleveland, he should still start in Columbus. There is no reason to give up on him as a starter at this point. That's a discussion for next offseason or later in the season next year if struggles, health and inconsistency continues. That said, I am open-minded to putting Salazar in the bullpen at any point in 2015 if it is deemed that he can impact when placed there. Wade Davis is a guy who should probably still be starting due to youth and upside but we saw the impact he had last year. I don't envision the Indians putting Salazar in the bullpen from the get-go.....but if he struggles early in the rotation and the Indians backend of the pen has problems....I could see a temporary move there.
Homer
December 17, 2014 - 5:07 AM EST
The Indians addition of Floyd put the payroll next yr at about $84M including projected arb raises with the potential to rise as high as $90M if Floyd hits his incentives (I hope he does). If the Indians do trade David Murphy that frees up an additional $6.5M in salary. In other words, payroll would drop around $77.5M meaning the Tribe could potentially make an addition(s) in the $5-7M per yr range.
Homer
December 17, 2014 - 4:58 AM EST
Great points, Salazar has huge potential more so than Trevor Bauer, IMO BUT if I had to choose one to be my guy in the rotation I would pick Bauer. I said that a few yrs ago, it remains the same for me. Salazar was pretty the second half last season, though still a little spotty. The way I see it, the Indianshave a good problem with more SP than many teams in MLB. I'm not satisfied it's enough...it takes just an injury or two and that depth evaporates qkly.

I like the fact the Indians have so many arms (I hope they are able to keep Maronde) and a guy like Marcum may be forced to AAA or out of the org. for opportunity....it shows there is depth above him. Id still like to see the Indians pickup some SP prospects if possible. Maybe the Indians could get one in a deal for so omens like Murphy or another young OF/IF.

CA went into the offseason with the objective of adding some power - he's done that (Moss). Then, he suggested SP depth - he's done that (Floyd, Brewer, resigned Marcum). And he suggested a RH/SH bat - he's (partially) done that (Sands, Hood). Plus, he's added depth to BP by virtue of the SP additions.

The Indians have had a relatively quiet offseason with two major additions (Moss, Floyd), but it's not like this club needed that much. I think they could still have a few moves coming perhaps a trade of an OF, and possibly the pickup of a veteran bullpen arm.
Joe Chengery
December 17, 2014 - 12:27 AM EST
I was going to say the same thing Alton just said- bouncing a pitcher between starting and relieving will often increase the chance for an injury because of the new routine. It can be done, and pitchers don't always get injured, but there are enough cases where a team has to be absolutely sure to make the switch, especially from relieving back to starting. Fortunately, it did work with Carrasco last year without injury, but I don't think teams like to do it that often- they want the pitcher to have a defined role, usually at the beginning of the year, and then leave them there, especially if they are a reliever. As a starter, you can switch them to relief if needed, but stretching them out to be a starter again can be tricky. Carrasco was proof that it can be done if you're careful, but you don't see that move from the bullpen to the rotation within a season that often.
alton
December 17, 2014 - 12:24 AM EST
Also I like the idea of pitting House against Salazar as I think those are the two biggest question marks in the rotation. Slaazar was up and down and House was so much better than he has ever been that it's hard to expect output on that same level again, though it is certainly a possibility. Floyd is solid when healthy and it's really not much money, why not?

And yes I'm assuming McAllister is going to the bullpen (fastball plays up there and he has no second pitch) and Tomlin goes to AAA (though he could be more effective being a year removed from TJ surgery).
Joe Chengery
December 17, 2014 - 12:22 AM EST
GSon,

I respect your viewpoint on CC Lee, but still think he's done enough in the minors in terms of H/IP and K/IP where success at the ML level isn't out of the question- he doesn't have a whole lot of experience, and unless he's lost velocity on the fastball from TJ Surgery (think he had that), he was throwing low to mid-90s with his fastball in the not too distant past, plus had a decent breaking ball from the reports I heard that was especially effective against RHHs. His numbers in the Minors were definitely above average, and while he was "old" for each league because he was a later-than-average age sign, I still don't think he's had enough ML experience to even adapt- thus why I wouldn't write him off yet. If he serves as depth in Columbus and finds consistency, I still think he can factor into the mix with guys like Price (if he's still here), Adams, Sturdevant, Soto to fill the long-man role or a 6th-7th inning role.

ZMac would be the other option I'd consider for the 8th inning if they want to take him out of the starter mix. I don't think they want to leave ZMac in the world of "is he a starter or is he a reliever"- I think they'd want to resolve that question as soon as possible, and all indications seem to suggest he'll be in the mix for the fifth starter spot.
alton
December 17, 2014 - 12:19 AM EST
I agree with Gson and Joe, Salazar is a starter until he proves to be ineffective. Generally when you start bouncing guys between relieving and staring you are just begging for an injury i.e. Neftali Perez, Ogando, Hochevar, Karsay, etc.

We all know how fragile Salazar's right arm is and with how careful the tribe have been with him there is no way they would try some 2 to 3 week conversion if someone gets hurt like CL suggests. The only reason Carrasco was put in the pen is that he was a head case and that was his last chance to prove he was useful. Luckily he proved himself, but that's not the desired career path, that's a resurrection.
C L Who
December 16, 2014 - 11:26 PM EST
Folks posting here seem to have a rather rigid view: either he's a starter or a pen guy. Why? Why can't Salazar be the Tribe's Alexi Ogando?

Personally, I would rather have Salazar closing on the MLB team than starting in Columbus. He has no value at the major league level in Columbus, but a great deal of value closing (or relieving in general, if that's how it turns out) at the major league level. If someone gets hurt, or struggles.....Salazar could be stretched out in 2 to 3 weeks to go 7, right? Heck, even as a starter he's going 5 2/3 so not much stretching would be required.

At this point, he has a pretty good curve ball, a powerful fast ball, and little else. For this reason, the concept of him in the pen is not so unusual at all, because pen pitchers often have few pitches. Now, if Salazar perfects the curve and starts to bring a solid or better change up, then he will have much more success in the rotation, and all talk of him in the pen will stop.
GSon
December 16, 2014 - 11:17 PM EST
@Joe... w/r to CCLee: his whatever innings in the ML's aren't the only thing that is being used and was used to evaluate his ability to perform at the ML level.. Your assumption is based on incomplete information and just flat wrong.. Watching him perform.. in Akron in 2011 and 2012..in Columbus in 2012. ( I didn't see him in 2013) and Arizona during spring training.. is more than just about the few innings in the majors.. it was an accumulation of performances.. He just doesn't have enough on his FB.. and can't fool them even some of the time once he's been seen.. his breaking ball hangs.. and gets HIT HARD..

Your posting about Salazar is true.. he's a bona fide ML SP.. and should be considered for starting only to begin the 2015 season

Hagadone hasn't earn 8th inning work yet.. he has the size and stuff to be successful.. just not enough track record.. Same thing with Zach McAllister.. he has the size and the stuff to be a stalwart in the back of the pen.. His value as a starter hasn't been completely depleted, so, I'd assume the Indians will give Z-Mac every opportunity to regain a spot in the rotation.. and yes.. that could mean no spot for Floyd..or Marcum..or Tomlin or House.. or someone.. It could also mean a trade is in the works..

Thoughts?....
Tony
December 16, 2014 - 11:01 PM EST
Good catch...I edited.
yourtribe
December 16, 2014 - 10:38 PM EST
Tony, you say Bauer is guaranteed one of the 4 spots then say farther down that one of Bauer or house will be ticketed to AAA? I think you mean Salazar or house.
Joe Chengery
December 16, 2014 - 10:15 PM EST
I will say I'm a bit surprised they are giving Floyd one of the five spots in the rotation- he's been largely erratic due to injuries and ineffectiveness the last several years. Personally, I have doubts he can outdo the Top 5, even the Top 7, if they are healthy. If he does, that's a bonus, but in no way do I think this opens up a trade of Salazar, Carrasco, Bauer, or House- they are still the long-term pieces to this rotation at this point in time in my opinion. Floyd is not changing that.

Could someone please clarify, since the article said one time Salazar would be part of the battle for the fifth spot and Bauer was mentioned another time- who else besides Kluber and Carrasco has a spot locked up in the rotation? Salazar or Bauer? Thanks.
Joe Chengery
December 16, 2014 - 10:09 PM EST
I can't believe some of you guys are already clamoring for Salazar to be turned into a reliever (at age 24, almost 25, who excelled at A+, AA, and AAA)- note that Jose Mesa, a guy with a similar arm and who was a pretty good reliever outside of 1997 and a particular Series Game 7 didn't become a reliever until later in his career (after his age 27 season in 1993). Why? Because of the value of his arm in the starting rotation. That's why, thankfully, the Indians weren't willing to give up on Carrasco as a starter - the value of that arm is much higher in the rotation than in the bullpen. Not to mention the Indians have a lot more upper-minor-league depth in relievers, not starters.

Which brings me to Lee. I also find it surprising that you're already considering Lee a bust based on, what, 45 total appearances in baseball, 37 last year, covering 28 IP, giving up 30 hits, walking 12, striking out 26, largely in a mop-up role for the most part? He was like the Jesus Aguilar of pitching- he didn't even get in enough work to get into any type of rhythm, sitting for many games at a time, not to mention it was his first extended time at the ML level. Just casting him off and saying he's not ML material is a little premature. Granted, if the Indians lost him, they'd be fine in all likelihood, but to claim that he's done based on what we saw last year?

Definitely an overreaction in my opinion, much like Salazar has to be turned into a reliever now. If Jose Mesa got that much chance to be a starter (and he never looked as good as a starter as Salazar has), you can bet that the Indians are going to keep Salazar as a starter, possibly for another year or even two, since his value as a mid- to front-line starter is much more valuable than as a closer. He can always be turned into a reliever down the line if the starter experiment fails, but we are still a good distance away from that, especially with what Salazar has shown as a starter to this point.

Personally, I'd like to see Hagadone (another guy who has taken a while to develop, and who was also given several years as a starter, and he never looked as good as Salazar as a starter either) back up Allen and give the Indians another option as a closer if Allen falters or is injured. In fact, if the Indians don't acquire another proven reliever, I'd like to see

7th- Shaw
8th- Hagadone
9th- Allen

I think Shaw fits better in the 7th inning, Hagadone has the stuff to fit in the back-end of the pen against lefties AND righties, and you have the R-L-R combination at the end, making it harder for opposing managers to match up on one side, forcing them to have to use their bench and depth more.

Plus, I have no issue with three lefties in the pen (a topic that was brought up here recently)- that is a strength in my view, not a weakness, and especially when you have 4-5 right-handed starters in your rotation. The '95 Indians had three lefties in their pen, and it was one of the better pens in baseball, so having three lefties can work.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 10:08 PM EST
Canadian Joe, agreed, Upton is not coming to Cleveland.

Sounds like this Wil Myers to SD may be a bit bigger of a deal than anticipated. Jeff Passan hinting these parts involved will be moving on to other clubs.

Wild speculation on my part but Myers might be the bat headed to Seattle for Walker or Paxton, with the Pads in turn flipping one to the Braves for Upton. Sounds like it might be a day or two for everything to be sorted out, but if the Padres do acq. a OF they will likely trade Seth Smith, who I suspect could be involved in all of this speculation somehow.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Tribe pickup Wil Myers, but it seems the cost would be prohibitive for the Tribe. Another Rays player (beside Zobrist) I think could be a useful add would be Desmond Jennings. He would not fit the Tribe, but he is a RH bat that's controllable and affordable.
Canadian Joe
December 16, 2014 - 9:30 PM EST
Upton not coming to Cleveland. One year rental. Too high a price. Plus a cost to waive "no trade". Don't see it. Would have to be a steal.
BrianM
December 16, 2014 - 9:02 PM EST
Andy Moor feat. Carrie Skipper is probably right, but it is hard to ignore whats happening in the game of baseball right now. This offseason has been crazy. Teams seem to be constantly changing how they evaluate talent and are constantly looking for market inefficiencies. The game is different than it was 2 years, and it will change again two years from now. There probably won't be a big trade ahead, but this offseason has led me to believe that anything can happen.

Justin Upton actually makes a lot of sense on paper for us. I think we could put together a desirable package that wouldn't cripple us now or in the future. However, we are on his no trade list, so I want bother dreaming on that one.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 9:01 PM EST
Chris Cotillo from MLB.com says, hitter the Mariners are close to acq. is NOT Viciedo / JUpton. Could be Seth Smith, Murphy, or any number of Red Sox players...basically - don't know.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 8:54 PM EST
Really?

You know that for a fact?

Funny, how you waited until after Maronde was DFA to "predict" it. Just saying.
Roger
December 16, 2014 - 8:53 PM EST
to me it is Deja Vu with myers. Had we not bit on that fishing lure and won a couple of the games he lost we would have won the division as we lost by just one game. I dont like taking chances on guys coming off injuries and over 30. We didnt have a broken rotation but decided to fix it anyway!!!!
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 8:52 PM EST
Indians DFA Nick Maronde to make room for Gavin Floyd on the 40 man roster.
Andy Moor feat. Carrie Skipper
December 16, 2014 - 8:52 PM EST
I laugh at all of these reactions that always assume b/c one signing is made that a trade is now imminent. Nothing is happening after this deal except the Indians are gonna DFA Morande. End of story and quit wasting time speculating what the next trade is going to be b/c there is not going to be another deal.
Pete
December 16, 2014 - 8:29 PM EST
This can be conjecture on my part, but my guess is that either Carrasco or Salazar are going to go the Braves for Upton. You trade from a position of strength. I mean, why else would Antonetti publically declare Floyd in the rotation if he's healthy? To keep Salazar down in AAA for depth? Really? We already have depth in the bullpen. When you think of the Central now, its really "nuclear brinksmanship." If that's the case, we better have a team that can score some runs. Upton to the Indians addresses that problem
GSon
December 16, 2014 - 8:02 PM EST
@Seth.. CC Lee should be in Columbus..or Pawtuckett.. or WilksBare.. or anywhere but at that corner of Carnegie and Ontario..

CC Lee's repertoire is not ML level.. his FB is a foot short.. his side arm delivery in not nearly deceptive enough and he's going to continue to get KILLED..Austin Adams..even with his poor numbers (for twelve pitches, or whatever) is a MUCH better RP Option for the Indians than CC Lee.. The Indians would do well to move him to some other team...

thoughts?..
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 7:36 PM EST
Tondo,

Agreed, Brewer and Maronde could be DFA, as well as any of...CCLee, Holt, and Moncrief.

Re: Varvaro, I mentioned him in several trade suggestions w/ Upton. He's a solid RHRP, Murphy could help the Bravos fill RF/LF in the likelihood of JUp trade.
Christina Novelli
December 16, 2014 - 7:33 PM EST
omg what a terrible deal. i hate antonetti. Lester and Scherzer are out there and we get gavin floyd. child please
Tony
December 16, 2014 - 7:30 PM EST
I agree that Salazar should not be talked about as a pen option right now. He's either starting in Cleveland or starting In Columbus. Now if the struggles continue into the season then they have to consider a change to the pen later in the year.
Seth
December 16, 2014 - 7:30 PM EST
What is the evidence that Salazar's much more valuable as a starter? For the Indians specific situation, I think there's a lot of evidence that he would be much more valuable as a reliever, because they now have at least 6 solid options for the starting rotation, plus 2 others who have performed okay in the past. In the bullpen, he'd be pushing someone like CC Lee to Columbus.

I think it's also incorrect to say Salazar can't "develop as a starter" while pitching out of the bullpen. See: Carlos Carrasco. And pretty much every good Cardinals starter.
Aaron
December 16, 2014 - 7:26 PM EST
The Salazar to the pen talk needs to stop. He'll be the 5th starter. The Indians have to give him every opportunity to develop as a starter. 2013 he was one of the best young starters in the game. Patience people... He's much more valuable as a starter.
GSon
December 16, 2014 - 7:07 PM EST
The names being bandied about from the Padres in this alleged Wil Myers discussion could include Austin Hedges Matt Wisler, Burch Smith and or R.J. Alvarez. (These names from ESPN and SB Nation)

This doesn't seem like a LOT of high end prospects for a guy that is clearly a gem that can be had for RH RF'er that is young and promises a LOT...
GSon
December 16, 2014 - 7:00 PM EST
@Homer.. Rays and Padres discussing a Wil Myers deal.. that would be interesting.. very interesting..

@ Salazar to the Pen Aficionados... not until he proves he cannot be an SP.. Going into the 2015 season, he'll be an SP.. only..

@ McAllister to the Pen/Mafia.. Can that revival of a bad idea end.. Bullpen Mafia just seems like it should have been concluded when Chris Perez departed..

Mariners pursuit of a hitter.. MLB TR has something on that..

We'll see..
Tondo
December 16, 2014 - 6:58 PM EST
As for trading Murphy. Would like to see a swap with the Braves for Varvaro. Matt Joyce was traded for Jespen today, similar deal
Tondo
December 16, 2014 - 6:55 PM EST
Hmm, I understand the move, but not sure I really understand or approve it.

What's the difference between Floyd and Marcum other than cost? Marcum even has better career ERA/FIP stats, both are injury risks/gambles. One cost nothing, the other 4mil and gets a guaranteed roster spot. Strange move, but will wait and see what other trades might be up

I think Brewer is as much at risk as Maronde now, maybe CC Lee or Holt too
Seth
December 16, 2014 - 6:48 PM EST
I don't think Drew or I view Salazar as having "limited upside" ... "limited upside" ... as a starter. I still think he could be a 3-WAR pitcher as a starter. I think he could be dominant out of the bullpen, Wade Davis/Chapman dominant. And still worth 3 WAR. Moving him into the bullpen, you're going from a replacement-level, iffy guy like CC Lee, to Salazar. In the rotation, you're going to from Salazar, to other guys who could be solid, 3-WAR pitchers in Floyd and House.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 6:33 PM EST
Seems like Maronde will be DFA or the Indians have a trade coming. Murphy to Seattle, Texas, or Baltimore?

Some intriguing prospects from....

Seattle....Comp B rd 2 pk, Luiz Gohara, Victor Sanchez, Tyler Pike, and sidearmer Carson Smith - he'd require a 40 spot they need to open for Floyd.

Texas....Alec Asher, Marcos Diplan, Ryan Rua and Corey Knebel - both need a 40 man spot.

Baltimore....Comp B rd 2 pk, Zach Davies, Tyler Wilson, Stephen Tarpley, and Jon Keller
Clay
December 16, 2014 - 6:32 PM EST
Lol. Love how quickly people's opinions change.

Going into last year "SALAZAR FUTURE ACE OF ACE'S"

This year "SALAZAR LIMITED UPSIDE FUTURE RELIEVER"

It's fine really, everyone sees things differently. Players develop over time and I see nothing to tell me he can't be an effective starter moving forward.

I'm not committing Salazar to the bullpen right now. Gonna take a lot for me to be convinced of that.

Wanna move him to the pen without acknowledging Carlos Carrasco could easily regress into DFA territory?
Drew
December 16, 2014 - 5:48 PM EST
I also agree that Salzaar will ultimately end up in the pen. He has limited upside due to the fact that he wont ever be able to consistently go deep into games because of his pitching style. He can be a solid 3 or 4 guy but wont ever lead a rotation by only going 5 IP every outing. He can be deadly for a couple of innings out of the pen though.
Themaven
December 16, 2014 - 5:47 PM EST
I like the move,Floyd's a bulldog as we know from his years with Sox and if he's healthy he's a league average starter at a bargain price.

Antonetti stated that McAlister,Tomlin ,Salazar and House were going into spring training competing for the 5th starter spot.
Tomlin and House have options left,the other two don't so I don't see it being much of a competition.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 5:41 PM EST
Now that I know Salazar has an option (4th option granted) remaining I like this deal. Floyd makes $4M if he's injured, but $10M if he hits all his incentives good deal for the Tribe. Floyd is likely the 3rd / 4th SP for this club. That pushes Salazar, House, McAllister and Tomlin to competition for the 5th spot.

Should they trade Tomlin (and his project $1.7M salary) to free some funds.

I think the Shaun Marcum deal could be a scenario where he ends up going elsewhere and reviving his career much like Aaron Harang last season.
C L Who
December 16, 2014 - 5:35 PM EST
I agree with you Seth. Salazar is a made to order potentially lights out closer. Frankly, our current closer was better in a set up role.
Seth
December 16, 2014 - 5:30 PM EST
So still no chance that the Indians are looking to convert Salazar to the bullpen? Or, that depending on what happens in spring training, Bauer and House earn spots and Salazar gets sent to the bullpen? Other than the durability concerns, with his inconsistent off-speed stuff, I question whether Salazar will ever be an effective starter. I think he could be one of the top relievers in the game though.
MT88 in WI
December 16, 2014 - 5:25 PM EST
I like this signing (as well as Shawn Marcum in minor league deal). Gives a little more depth and it allows CA/ Tito the flexibility to look at either a) moving Zach McAliister to a bullpen role (no chance of starting) or b) dealing away a starter (other than Kluber) in an attempt to acquire other needed pieces.

It would be interesting to see what a package of a starter, David Murphy and perhaps even Lonnie could bring back..
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 5:10 PM EST
Who throws more innings next Brett Anderson (1/$10M with $4M inc.) or Gavin Floyd (1/$4 with $6M inc.)?

I'm calling Floyd.
Brandon
December 16, 2014 - 5:06 PM EST
I don't know why this is a surprise. Antonetti said he wanted to add starting pitching, we had some spending room and compared to Masterson, this seems like a huge bargain. Plus, you have to assume that at least one of Salazar, Bauer, Carrasco or House will struggle next year. I think House especially may have trouble replicating 2014.

It looks like McAllister could become a permanent member of the bullpen mafia, can't say I'm disappointed.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 4:57 PM EST
Devin, the Indians have a deal in place for Todd Frazier for TJ House, David Murphy and Erik Gonzalez.....
just kidding. It seems likely the Indians are comfortable with adding Floyd, but also indicates that the Ind and probably have a deal in place that clears a roster space for Floyd.
Homer
December 16, 2014 - 4:53 PM EST
I like Floyd, wanted to see the Indans pick him up last offseason. Interesting scenario with the TJ and then the broken elbow, similar injuries for former Indian Hector Rondon. I'm sure the Indians did their work on the injury history. Obviously, two separate injuries, but somewhat related and not entirely uncommon. Floyd offers the Indians (if healthy) a mid rotation arm. However, with only 14 starts combined between '13 and '14 it seems unlikely Floyd could pitch more than 150-175 innings.

I'm a bit mixed on him this time around, if they were going to add a guy, I would have preferred Jake Peavy, but it seems he may be out of their price range.
Devin
December 16, 2014 - 4:50 PM EST
Finally seems like some reasonable prices for FA's today with Floyd and Morse. I don't mind the signing, but also wonder if there is a trade coming up moving a starter to make a place in the rotation. Felt like our rotation and depth starters were pretty well set.
C L Who
December 16, 2014 - 4:48 PM EST
Floyd could be solid if his elbow holds up. He broke it while pitching.

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