Storylines: Donaldson sent to Blue Jays in blockbuster
- Per Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, the Athletics and Blue Jays have agree on a blockbuster trade as the Athletics are sending third baseman Josh Donaldson to the Blue Jays in exchange for infielder Brett Lawrie, right-handed pitcher Kendall Graveman, shortstop Franklin Barretoand righty Sean Nolin. Donaldson still had four years of control left with the Athletics, but GM Billy Beane is one to never sit idle and keep players around long and received four players in return he thinks help now and over the next several seasons.
- Billy Beane may not be done with his roster makeover as several rumors surfaced on Friday that he is engaged in serious talks to trade Jeff Samardzija. According to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, the Athletics would receive several players in return. He may also consider trading Scott Kazmir.
Other News and Notes:
- The Marlins and Royals completed a trade on Friday. The Marlins received right-hander Aaron Crow in exchange for left-hander Brian Flynn and right-hander Reid Redman. There is talk that Crow could move into the starting rotation next season.
- The Royals re-signed free agent right-handed reliever Jason Frasor to a one year $1.25M deal with a $2M mutual option for 2016.
- The Marlins have let it be known that top prospects Andrew Heaney, Nathan Eovaldi and Brad Hand are available. They are looking for a left-handed bat to put in the middle of the lineup to team up with Giancarlo Stanton.
- The Nationals are looking to add a veteran right-handed bullpen arm and are considering several possibilities. Two options they have considered in free agency are Jason Motte and Casey Janssen.
- Outfielder Shane Victorino is set to swing a bat for the first time on Monday since undergoing back surgery. He is expected to be 100% by the start of spring training and he himself expects to be the Red Sox starting right fielder next season.
- Outfielder Tony Campana has signed a minor league deal with the White Sox.
- To clear space on the roster for the addition of the players received in the trade with the Blue Jays, the Athletics have designated Josh Lindblom and Kyle Banks for assignment.
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It's bad enough I had to type that but the man gets paid to write that sh**.
I'd love to hear an honest reply from a member of the Indians about what they think of him.
The specific comment reported via MLB TR is: "....•The Red Sox want starting pitching and the Indians have it, but that doesn’t make it likely that Cleveland would trade Danny Salazar or Trevor Bauer to Boston for an outfielder, Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer writes. The Red Sox want pitching, but they would likely want more star power, and the Indians aren’t likely to want to deal Salazar or Bauer for one year of, for example, Yoenis Cespedes.....".
Chiz, Salazar, Gonzo & a spec; as we say in Georgia, I might could do that.
I'll take you on up Blanks. Blanks is huge 6'6 265-285, maybe he should have played football. He's got intriguing power, a guy Id be willing to take a flier on, but, I really don't see him getting claimed or traded at this point. If he becomes a FA I would give him a spring invite, but at this point there is nothing to him that says, sleeper to me. He falls in line with Michael Taylor the former A's prospect. I wouldn't be surprised to see either salvage an MLB career as a corner OF / 1b, but I'm not banking on it either.
Chiz, Salazar, Gonzo & Prospect - I'm in. Donaldson obviously makes losing Chiz a non-factor, Gonzo is one of many and the prospect is only a prospect. The question then is, are you willing to lose Salazar to get one of the best 3B in the game for four years? Um, yes. Salazar, while possessing an electric arm, has proved nothing to this point and has already had TJ surgery. That deal should've been a no-brainer for the Tribe then sign Masterson back. BB obviously has some fascination for Lawrie.
Do teams actually trade players of this caliber without shopping them around first? It seems like obvious due diligence.
What's done is done. The Indians can cry over missing on Donaldson, and (perhaps) rightfully so, but they'll have to move on.
I think they should turn their attention to getting a controllable bat either in a trade or in FA. I'll throw out some names we've discussed already... Evan Gattis, Jay Bruce, Chase Headley, Alex Rios, Brandon Moss, and Josh Reddick. Any of those six represent an upgrade for the Indians. Then there's guys like Daniel Nava, Shane Victorino, Yoenis Cespedes, Scott Van Slyke, Marlon Byrd, Ben Zobrist, Mark Trumbo, and Dayan Viciedo that might also be possibilities.
The pitching prospects that the A's got in return are marginal. Hell, Tomlin would have been a better target then those 2, especially in that ballpark. The Indians need a good development year for their pitching to be sure. With that in mind, any minor trades or rule IV pickups to acquire more would be wise.
I'm not disappointed that they didn't get Donaldson and I think he is a great player. I also love the way he plays the game, but not at the cost to obtain him. I read in one of the posts that belittled Gonzalez. I'm telling you that he is a true top notch prospect. So much so that losing Lindor in a trade would not be that devastating. His star is rising and I'd bet that he'll be in the top 100 by this time next year.
Don't you think then that if House was the only thing holding that deal back then today Donaldson would be an Indian? I don't think Tribe brass lets that stop it from happening. I think Beane really likes Lawrie and probably wanted one of the other young arms which would have to have been a real internal struggle for brass to make that choice. Donaldson could have really helped.
I maybe wrong but it seems to me that a package of Chiz-Chaing-hagadone-and lee would have been more that Toronto gave to get donaldson. Unless either our brain trust (Tito, antinelli, shap) has higher opinion of chiz or beane has lower opinion of chiz, would have been superior to what oakland got for donaldson. we would hve kept the starting five in tact and retained JRam lindor et al. it doesnt mke sense to me how good do you perceive lawrie to be tony?
That said, no way they would have gotten him without one of Lindor, Salazar, Bauer, so it's a moot point.
How about claiming Blanks who was DFA'd? Straight up for Raburn and be done with it, or for Price, Maronde or Brewer
Two others I think we will see in trade rumors, Brandon Moss and Josh Reddick, both LH bats, but both offer some pop, Moss can man LF, RF, and 1b, Reddick is primarily a RF. Both Moss and Reddick would be upgrades in RF if the Tribe went after one or the other inspite of their LH bat.
Case of not as good of a 3B for 3B swap, plus pitching cost would've been too high in return for Tribe.
Would you have dealt Chiz/Lindor and one of Bauer/Salazar/Carrasco PLUS House?
That being said, if there was one player out there this off season that the Indians should've gone all out for it was Donaldson. He could've made a huge difference in the order and defensively.
Looks like the Shark is next to go.
Kudos to Jeff Ellis on being right that the A's were willing to trade Donaldson this off season. The price the Indians had to pay and were not willing to pay.
Also, I don't see why people are plugging Lindor & Frazier in on this trade. The A's didn't get anything like a Top 10 SS spec in AAA like Lindor & the bat that they did get doesn't comp with Frazier.
I'm glad we didn't do this trade, I'd rather just spend money on Headley.
When you speak of Billy Beane's prowess in trades.. it's true. He seldom loses a trade and usually, it's not even close. When you examine what the A's are receiving, start with Brett Lawrie. an uber talented over intense kid with amazing upside and a ten cent head that won't let him get to the end he desires, Bareto and Nolin are both future ML'ers, especially Bareto who can probably step in and play SS defensively right now.. Sean Nolin has the appearance and stuff that says INNINGS EATER. He'll be in the A's rotation before the 2015 season reaches its end.... Graveman is a throwin.. a nobody who will only see a ML stadium if he buys a ticket..
The deal screams AA is tired of Lawrie's childish crap, Nolin wasn't going to be all that anyway and the two other guys are too far away. Billy Beane, on the other hand looked for an undervalued asset and got it in this deal.. a classic Billy Beane move.. In short, in three years, no one is going to remember how bad Lawrie was in Toronto...make no mistake.. the A's will miss Donaldson this year.. perhaps some in 2016 too..
Could the Indians have made this deal.. sure.. replace Lonnie with Lawrie, Lindor with Bareto, Cody Anderson with Nolin and throw in Dorsyss Paulino as the guy buying a ticket.. In three years, the Indians fans would be wondering why the hell did Chris Antonetti throw away the magnificent play of Lindor for a too expensive 3B who the Indians will need to trade?!!...
That's why CA didn't do it.. and why Billy Beane did.. We'll see..
There's NO WAY I would trade Chisenhall, Lindor, House, and Frazier for Donaldson. As much as I like Donaldson, he is not worth that kind of haul. It's that simple. However, that's probably what the A's would have asked for from the Indians, to me, the difference is the two SP prospects the Jays sent. Both are big league ready arms. The Indians could have offered an OF or SS and a SP in their place, but frankly, the A's wanted two SP prospects the Indians didn't have to give.
Let's go for a more realistic trade proposal...something I think is comparable.
Chisenhall, JRam or Ramsey, Anderson and Chang.
Honestly, I don't think that's enough to get the deal done in comparison, because the Indians simply didn't have an arm (House?) to add to the deal without depleting their own SP rotation.
It is not the end of the world, but I will be disappointed if the biggest thing the Indians do is add Chris Denoforia or Kendrys Morales. It's hard to know because they could be close on another big trade. Who knows...that's one thing we fans often know little about, (on going trade talks).
He meets all the prerequisites for the Indians, and they were probably gun shy. Idk, maybe they never talked to Oakland. Maybe the Indians have another deal close. 3b is not their most pressing need, but I can guarantee Donaldson is a huge upgrade over Chisenhall. Hopefully, the Indians can find a long term answer at 3b and RF.
They need a right handed right fielder not a third baseman.
We have some young arms that might develop but we don't have anything to offer that would be ready to start the season in a big league rotation that aren't already here. If that was the requirement, we were coming up short.
Looking at the splits, Lawrie was actually better vs RHP. It's against LHP where the difference is, not so much an everyday upgrade as people think.
Jays have a history of poor trades/decisions. A's vice versa and this trade will cement that
Anyway, yeah disappointing we did land Donaldson but I refuse to dismiss any trades Billy Beane makes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and Beane and his crew get it right more often than not.
As for some of the names mentioned that our posters believe it would have gotten the deal done? Of course it would have, and I for one would have been more upset that we traded Lindor, Frazier, & House along with Chisenhall. It's possible, and likely, you're overvaluing what the Indians have stocked up vs what other teams do. If Beane took the deal Toronto offered, you can't do anything about it and we don't have any info of what teams inquired for Donaldson, let alone the Indians. There are in fact, 28 other teams out there that didn't make this deal
Is it frustrating? I guess. Think about all the angles though. Indians have Urshela expected to be healthy to start the year. Lindor/Ramirez & Urshela will easily improve probably the biggest hole this team has, infield defense.
Is it as sexy a move as dealing 3-4 players for Donaldson? Not to the public, but as Ive entered my 30's I learned to look at all the angles & accept what I can't control.
And that brings us back to Chisenhall. Clearly the Indians are content in allowing him to man 3rd for the time being and see if he can put together an entire season rather than 2 months.
I fully expect this post to be ripped apart. I'm not trying to defend not getting Donaldson. I would have been thrilled to get him at the right price. To me that isn't Frazier, Lindor AND House etc.
That, and it's not even December yet. But clearly patience isn't abundant around here for some.
Would have taken Lindor+Urshela+Plutko+Chang to match this
No way I'd do this for two more wins "best case"
Why do you believe the Indians weren't in on this deal? Are they going to be passive this off-season like they were last year. It would be disappointing considering Antonetti had a great off-season after 2013.