Storylines: Indians, Athletics talking about Brandon Moss
The Braves signed outfielder Nick Markakis to a four-year $44 million deal on Wednesday. His arrival helps fill the void left by the departure of Jason Heyward who was dealt a few weeks ago and should help fill the loss in right field for the Braves both defensively and offensively.
The Mariners and Blue Jays completed a trade on Wednesday as outfielder Michael Saunders was sent to Toronto and lefty J.A. Happ was sent to Seattle. Both teams have been very active this offseason and continue to make significant changes to their rosters.
According to John Hickey of the Bay Area News Group the Athletics are listening to the Indians on offers forBrandon Moss. Moss could play first base, corner outfield and designated hitter for the Indians and offer a lot of power from the left side of the plate. Over the last three seasons with Oakland he has hit .254 with 76 homers and .844 OPS. If the Indians add Moss it would likely mean that one of David Murphy or Nick Swisher are traded.
Other News and Notes:
The Royals resigned right-handed reliever Luke Hochevar to a two year $10 million deal on Wednesday.
The Braves signed right-handed reliever Jim Johnson to a one year $1.6 million deal on Wednesday.
According to several reports, the Dodgers are looking at Jon Lester and are expected to make a major push for him. He has interest from several teams and has already met with the Giants, Cubs, Red Sox, Braves and Cardinals.
The push for lefty reliever Andrew Miller intensified on Wednesday as Jon Heyman reported the Yankees are willing to give him a fourth year, a deal that could pay him $40M or more. The Astros appear out of the running and the only other team in on him reportedly is the Dodgers – though the Red Sox have some interest.
Heyman notes that the Royals have reached out to Melky Cabrera though may not be able to afford him as he is seeking a five year deal. Heyman lists the Reds, Mariners, Orioles and White Sox as possible fits for him.
Heyman also notes that the Orioles, Padres and Mariners have shown interest in Matt Kemp of the Dodgers. Heyman also notes that rival executives believe the Dodgers are reluctant to pull the trigger on any Kemp deal.
Buster Olney reported the Royals and Ervin Santana have mutual interest to complete a deal, but he wants five years and the Royals are not comfortable going beyond three years.
Joel Sherman reports that the Braves have received several offers for Justin Upton and the feeling is now that the Braves have signed Nick Markakis that they will move Upton.
According to Ken Rosenthal, catcher David Ross is being courted by the Cubs, Braves and Padres.
Rosenthal also reported that the Padres have agreed to sign shortstop Clint Barnes to a one year deal with an option for 2016.
Chris Cotillo reported that the Rangers are interesting in bringing back former catcher Geovany Soto.
Cotillo also notes former Indians outfielder Nyjer Morgan is looking to return to the big leagues next season, but has also drawn interest from some Asian teams.
A day after non-tendering him the Blue Jays resigned first baseman Justin Smoak to a one year $1 million deal.
The Orioles have signed right-handed pitcher Eddie Gamboa to a Major League contract.
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In that sort of scenario, what do you (and any others that care to chime in) think would be the way to go?
I know its all hypothetical of course but. in this best case scenario, what do you think is the best move?
I just think that if you compare the two, Kipnis circa first half 2013 provides offense including some HR pop with a rather well documented mediocre at best defense. At 2nd base, Ramirez provides the upside defensively without the same level of HR power certainly, theoretically he hits for average and improves his OBP. I think speed and stolen base wise, they are about a wash unless you might slightly favor Ramirez in that regard. The final factor is the cost one as Ramirez is a very significant cost savings to Kipnis, perhaps $ that can be applied elsewhere or to whomsoever Kipnis brings back from a team needing an experienced 2nd baseman.
I think I'm just enamored with the thought of a modern day version of the Alomar/Vizquel keystone combo that you can lock down for 6-7 years minimum is most exciting to me. Also, Kipnis has not shown the consistency to produce for a full year at a consistent level to date so, perhaps "selling high" on an early season hot streak might be exactly that.
All hypothetical of course but curious if that sort of scenario were to play out which way you (and the IBI crowd)_ would go with it.
Or would you just go conservative and move Aviles so Ramirez can play the utl role?
1. I am not convinced that J-Ram has as high of a ceiling as some on here think. He's got a upper cut swing and not a line drive stroke. IMO, MLB pitchers will eventually find a way to exploit that swing.
2. I also wouldn't trade Lindor unless you get a real difference maker (someone that puts us as a favourite to win the AL Central (IMO, Donaldson only makes us a contender). A talent like Lindor is so valuable. Plus as a first round draft pick (for a team that hasn't had a lot of success with their first rounders recently) Lindor is much more valuable to the whole psyche of the franchise.
3. Also first comment was including Frazier in the deal.....No way......Frazier (IMO) has the highest ceiling in the organisation. He may never achieve that but I'd rather hold on to him to find out.
The Marlins are reportedly interested in making him their new 1b. They are rumored to be willing to part with LHSP prospect Andrew Heaney. Id like to see the Tribe pursue Heaney, he'd be a good add and offer MOR upside.
Just wondering if that is the case.
Adding Moss (depending on the cost) and trading Murphy is addition by subtraction. It would only add $1M to payroll, so I'd consider that a good move.
I'm all in on making it a blockbuster deal. No doubt BB is willing, if he gets his asking price. I would like to see about any number of A's added including Shark, Kazmir, Reddick, Crisp, Doolittle, Cook, Parker, Norris.
I know it is sacrilege on this site, but the person I would sell high on is Lindor. I wouldn't trade him for Moss alone, but I would be looking to see if I couldn't get a major league ready elite pitching or OF for him.
It's also no guarantee that Lindor is ready next season and Kipnis returns to form. I think the chances of both happening are at 50% at best for next season.
Personally I would turn it into a blockbuster trade.
JRam's projected WAR is higher than Moss' and I don't think his bat or defense are unsustainable. If anything, I think there's a lot of upside left. Where exactly do you envision his game to regress? And even f he slides into Aviles'-role in a best case scenario, which is actually 50/50 at best, he still offers tremendous value to the Indians. Maybe he will lose trade value, but who cares if they just keep him and he becomes an elite Util/bench player with over 450PAs/season?
Beane is smart. He asks for prospects who are big league ready or close to it. He would never accept a deal with Frazier/EGonzo, although you and others would consider that a much higher price, for reasons I, in turn, will never understand.
That said, Beane can have 3 of any prospects, except Lindor, JRam and Urshela...and no 2014 draftees. Frazier/EGonzo/Naquin is probably way too much, but I wouldn't lose any sleep since it has no impact on next 2 seasons. If the Indians are serious to win now, that's the kind of deal to make. If Beane wants to get overwhelmed, do it with future promise, but, again, I doubt a GM trading away Russell is as prospect hype happy as most on here
I don't care if we make this specific deal, I just hope Antonetti has the kahonies to make this team better and put us in a spot to win.
Now, what I wouldn't mind seeing is a 3 for 2 deal, with Moss and Cook coming to Cleveland for say, Ramirez, Naquin, and Wendle.
Yes, Lawrie could be dealt.
Beane supposedly loves him, but, I think he'd trade his own mom in the right deal. Jarrod Parker and AJ Griffin would be two pieces (both returning from TJ), I would ask for in return. Would mind Kazmir, but I doubt that happens.
Rosenthal tweeted the two clubs are still discussing possible returns.
If what Gregg said is true (JRam, Naquin, Ramsey and a prospect), there's NO WAY I make that trade. That virtually depletes their upper level OF depth and SS depth in one deal. No thanks. Moss is controllable and has power, primarily against LHP, but I don't think the risk is worth the reward.
However, I will suggest there could be more pieces involved in a deal making it worthwhile for the Tribe.
That is, possible adds...young SP, or any of Reddick, Crisp, Punto, Doolittle, Cook, Norris, and of course, Samardzija, Kazmir, Parker. I'm not suggesting the Tribe would get any (or all) of those guys, just simply suggesting, the deal COULD involve more than Moss coming back IF it does go down.
A big bat added to the lineup would be a big help.
Is the deal going to be one for one, or a combination of players?
Why in the world the Indians would consider dealing with Billy Beane is beyond me. Even though I wasn't interested in Donaldson, he certainly didn't give the Indians a chance to be in the bidding process. I'm not interested in their second rate ball players.
I have a better idea sign Rios and wait a year for Zimmer to become ready. Under no circumstances would I help rebuild Bean's franchise. The four players listed in the package would help the A's for years. I also believe Ramirez will be far more valuable than Moss ever was .
Laporta was supposed to be okay after hip surgergy. I'm not sure he is a swithch hitter.
I'm really not interested in trading with B. Beane.
His splits are inconclusive. All his HR power is from the left side, but in 2014 he hit LHP 60 points better than RHP and in 2013 the opposite. Hard to say what 2015 will bring.
25 bombs playing for the As is huge because of the gigantic field in Oakland.
All things considered, I prefer Van Slyke, but surely would not complain about a signing of Moss. Swish is not currently tradeable, so if Moss is in Murphy is out.