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Storylines: Rockies willing to listen on Tulowitzki, Gonzalez

Storylines: Rockies willing to listen on Tulowitzki, Gonzalez
Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez (Photo: AP)
November 6, 2014
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  • For the past six to eight years, the two cornerstones of the Colorado Rockies have been Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez; however, they are now on the trade market entering the offseason. Ken Rosenthal believes that an actual trade happening during the free agency period is slight, but that the Rockies are open to trading one or both stars if the right deal comes along. While both players have been productive for their careers, they have also been injury prone and it could hinder any chance of the Rockies getting fair value back for either of them. Last season in 91 games, Tulowitzki batted a career high .340 with 21 HR and 52 RBI. In 70 games, Gonzalez batted a career low .238 with 11 HR and 38 RBI which were both the second lowest numbers of his career. Tulo is owed $20MM over the next four years while CarGo is owed $53MM over the next three years.

Tribe News

  • Nick Swisher and Tommy Lasorda were both honored with the Bob Feller Award of Valor in Washington DC on Wednesday.

Other News and Notes

  • Jon Heyman of CBSSports reports that free lefty Franklin Morales has switched over to the Boras Corporation.
  • Mike Puma of the New York Post reports that the New York Mets are likely to pursue Michael Morse.
  • Casey Janssen has switched agencies and will now be represented by ACES.
  • The Texas Rangers have hired former all-star Michael Young as a special assistant to GM Jon Daniels.
  • Former San Diego Padres lefty Troy Patton has received an 80-game suspension for a positive PED test.
  • Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports that the Miami Marlins have begun extension talks withGiancarlo Stanton.

User Comments

Discollama
November 6, 2014 - 12:09 PM EST
Chip: The only problem with a potential Tulo shift is that he's been quoted saying that he would rather retire than move off of SS. Really kind of sad considering how much healthier he might be with a move to 1B/3B and how much more value he could give you just by being able to play more games for longer.
Chip
November 6, 2014 - 10:40 AM EST
I don't have a problem with trading Lindor and others for Tulo. I do have a problem with the 20 million/year contract. For S's & G's let's say they landed Tulo and also was also able to trade a LHRP and a spec for Van Slyke. That would change the offensive landscape for this team tremendously, but it's not going to happen. A Van Slyke deal makes sense for both clubs though, and I could see Tulo making the transition to 3B much in the same way ARod did.
Tony
November 6, 2014 - 10:25 AM EST
I agree on that......though it also depends on what the Dodgers want to upgrade. They might get more value for a blocked guy than trying to unload a nonblocked guy in a salary dump. Perhaps the Indians have a lefty reliever the Dodgers want in exchange for Van Slyke. Not saying that's a fair trade as the Indians would probably have to add in something else for a RHed bat with power, but if they have a need for a lefty then I could see a fit. In the end, I view a Van Slyke deal as unlikely. I think going out and maybe trading for Byrd or signing someone like Rios is more the likely course of action if you are looking specifically at upgrading RF. I'm resigned to the fact that Chisenhall will be at 3B and Urshela is on standby.....I think RF is where they target their focus.
Discollama
November 6, 2014 - 10:17 AM EST
Tony: While I would like to see the Dodgers and Indians line up on a Van Slyke trade, I'm not sure that the Dodgers have much motivation to move him. Their best solutions seem to be moving two of Crawford, Ethier, or Kemp. Between Pederson, Van Slyke, Puig, and whoever doesn't get traded off, they should have a deep high powered outfield and Van Slyke may very well be best served as a fourth OF/backup 1B for the Dodgers. We know that between Kemp and Crawford, health has been an issue, and if Ethier is really washing up, he'll still make for a solid platoon partner with Van Slyke.

I just don't see the Dodgers solving the problem of having six OF's by dealing the blocked ones rather than the blocking ones.
Rocky55
November 6, 2014 - 9:07 AM EST
Wonder what the A's want for Kazmir?
Tony
November 6, 2014 - 8:39 AM EST
Yep, I don't see either as a fit for the Indians for reasons stated and for others as well. I still think the best trade possibilities in terms of need, fit, production and short contract length are Marlon Byrd and Scott Van Slyke. I could see deals for one of those two to help the Indians offense from the right side of the plate and get Murphy out of an everyday role in RF.
Discollama
November 6, 2014 - 7:50 AM EST
Dain, neither is really a fit for the Tribe given what Colorado would be looking for in return. However, as a Rockies fan and frequent observer of CarGo I can tell you a few things:

1, We all know breaking balls with sink just don't sink well in CO. Most Rockies players have tailored their swings for this and tend to hit the ball with extreme authority in CO but either K or get weak contact on the same pitches on the road. Take CarGo out of CO for more than a season, and he should be able to adjust. The guy has quick hands and a decent eye at the plate, there's no reason to think that he couldn't still be an elite performer outside of Coors, and we have to discount some of the Coors field effect a bit due to most hitters performing better at home than on the road

2, CarGo was hurt for much of the year with a knee injury and a finger injury. Both injuries can sap offensive ability and knee injuries in particular can kill you on defense. I would expect that a healthy CarGo would put up at least a line like his 2012 (perhaps fewer SB's given his knee injuries and the fact that that curve ages fastest)

3. There's no way that the Tribe will be able to cough up what the Rockies want in return. According to MLBTR the Rockies will "... not accept a return that does not provide fair value for the healthy production levels of both players." That means that the asking price for either one would be way too much for the Tribe. To put things in perspective, the Indians would have to start negotiations with Lindor and then start piling on prospects and MLB talent to get the Rockies to pull the trigger. Additionally, CarGo is a capable RF, and a suitable CF in one of the toughest OF's to play in the majors. The Indians would receive a defensive upgrade at any of the three OF spots if they some how acquired him.
Daingean
November 6, 2014 - 7:22 AM EST
I don't see Cargo as a fit with the Tribe.

1. I think his stats are a bit inflated from playing half his games at Coors.
2. He's is prone to having a bad year every now and then (see 2014)
3. The Indians need RF help and I don't think Cargo has the arm to be an every day RF

Add all of the above up and I think $53m for 3 years is too steep.

I like Tulo but I think Lindor will provide the Indians with quality SS play at a much cheaper price.

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