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What is extended spring training?

What is extended spring training?
April 15, 2013
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About 40-50 players get the tough news at the end of spring training every year. Instead of breaking camp and heading East for a full season destination, they are told that they will instead stick around in Arizona for a while longer and practice and play in games until they are either needed to fill in somewhere or short season leagues start in June.

Extended spring training can vary a little from team to team, but for every team it is exactly as it is termed. It is an extension of spring training. Commonly referred to as “extended” or "EST", it is very much like regular spring training with the daily routine filled with drills, workouts and scrimmages with the big difference being that they are the only people at the facility.

Gone is the hustle and bustle of spring training with every player, coach, and front office executive in the organization bouncing around the complex for six weeks from mid-February to the first week of April.  All that is left is around 40 or so players and a handful of coaches who continue to go about their business, but feel like they are playing on a deserted island isolated from the rest of the organization.

The feeling of isolation is definitely evident to those who are left behind in extended. The ticket office where patrons would normally buy tickets during spring training is all closed up. The hustle and bustle of the fans and media that follow the Major League team from February through March is gone.  The administration buildings are mostly locked up, and there is no front office.

There are no fans, concession stands, or scoreboards. There is no press box, and no media is present. The only people there besides the players are a few coaches, instructors, and usually one trainer who pulls double duty as the “front office” guy. Seriously, if you need to get in contact with a player or coach in Indians extended spring training, the trainer is the contact person the team usually gives out.

There is just nothing there and the complex is in a state of hibernation until the next spring when the fans and big league team returns. All is quiet except for the minor league clubhouse and practice fields that house the players and coaches who have stayed behind in extended spring training.

According to former Indians minor league coach Ted Kubiak who often stuck around in extended,  he says the main focus of extended spring training is on continuing to nurture some of the players who may have some shortcomings or are still young and adjusting to the professional game.

“We are here to make them professionals and make them understand the game,” Kubiak said in an interview for the IBI in 2011. “We help them to understand the work involved and every little thing that is connected with the professional game. They all have their own personal issues, which we need to be concerned about. One of their biggest things is learning how to play the game and do the same thing day in and day out. To be regimented and be disciplined, and know we are asking them to do the same thing everyday.”

For many players, extended spring training feels like a long prison sentence. They report to minor league camp usually the first week of March, and with roughly 150 to 170 players vying for just 100 roster spots on full season affiliates in Triple-A Columbus, Double-A Akron, High-A Carolina, and Low-A Lake County, some players are released while the rest are left behind in extended spring training.

After the Major League and full season minor league clubs break camp at the end of March, the 30-40 players who are not assigned to one of those teams are left behind in extended spring training for two and a half months as they await short season leagues to start up in mid-June. When all is said and done they end up spending just over three months in spring training when you combine the time in extended and regular spring training.

Living through extended spring training can really put a player’s mental toughness to the test. Having to stick around in extended spring training when the big league club and minor league full-season clubs break camp at the end of March can leave a lot of players feeling lonely, left out, and questioning their future.

“It depends on the guy,” Kubiak said. “Sometimes it is not fair, but it is just the game and way it works. In the long run, they still have a uniform. While it is hard [on the players] and they may not think they should be here, it is justified more times than not for a lot of reasons. I always tell them you are not going to be short-changed, and if you show the ability you are going to be moved [up].”

A majority of the players are from the last draft or two who are not ready for a full season roster and are waiting for short season leagues to start in June. These players were not assigned to a full season team for various reasons, but mostly because the organization considers them not ready technically, physically or mentally to handle the rigors and competition a full season league presents. Most of these players are young and often from foreign countries or are high school kids in the United States who were recently signed.

With the foreign players, since they are new to the United States, leaving them behind helps them in their transition to being stateside for the first time as well as continuing to receive regular baseball instruction. Also, these players take two hours of English classes a week, and even take some classes on American culture.

Other players left behind in extended are more advanced players who are there to get special one-on-one attention to work on a new pitch, straighten out their delivery, or make some major adjustments with their hitting mechanics. Some players stick around in extended because they are rehabbing injuries, while others are older minor leaguers who are near the end of the line who are nothing more than depth options for the full season teams.

Since most of the players are new, the Indians spend a lot of time with them in extended spring training working on bunt plays, signs, pick off moves, situational hitting, pitching mechanics, and so on. For the pitchers, they take part in pitcher fielding practice – commonly referred to as PFPs – ad nauseam. Players are there to refine their game, work on developing routines, and also to adapt to life as a professional baseball player.

Games take place on the practice fields of the Indians spring training complex, the two fields used by the major league club in spring training for practice as well as the ones the minor leaguers play afternoon games on in spring training. The games are open to the public and free to attend, but the games are very raw and usually the rules are tweaked some in order to not overextend a pitcher’s pitch count if an inning gets out of hand. There are no official statistics or standings kept, although teams do keep stats internally, chart pitches, and record video of pitchers and hitters to send back to the home office for review.

The players do have every Sunday off, but Monday through Saturday their itinerary generally follows the timeline outlined below:

• 6:30am – Wake up
• 7:00 to 7:30 – Breakfast in clubhouse
• 7:30 to 7:45 – Report to field for stretching
• 7:45 to 8:45 – Specialized instruction and drills.
• 8:45 to 9:00 – Group warmup
• 9:00 to 10:30 – Defensive drills, throwing and hitting.
• 10:30 am – Intrasquad game

On days they go on the road to play another organization – which is not often in extended spring training - the morning workouts are tweaked and they time it up so they arrive at the visiting ballpark (no more than 15-20 minutes away) about an hour before the 10:30am game. On some days they play a doubleheader with the other organization if they have enough players. After their game, they eat lunch and go back to the clubhouse to lift weights or do some extra work, cool down, shower, and then head home. Players are usually walking out of the clubhouse door and back to their apartments by 2:00 or 3:00pm.

Players eat together in the clubhouse for two meals a day, and as many as four to five of them share the same apartment in order to spread around the cost of rent and utilities and make it more affordable. The Indians do not provide housing or pay for their food and utilities, so it is up to the players to make those housing arrangements themselves and pay their bills. With little money at their disposal and not much to do in the area, players mostly just hang out in their apartments when they break for the day. Maybe once a week they go out to eat, or they pass the time going golfing or taking in a sporting event.

The biggest benefit of extended spring training for these players is the increased instruction, plus things are much slower-paced than they would be on a full season team so it allows them a better chance to focus on the task at hand. Everything is very instruction oriented with players continually working on things they have been given to improve. It is more about the process and showing improvement, and not really the actual results on the field.

This year’s edition of extended spring training will run until early June. Once short season leagues begin in the middle of June, some players will remain in Goodyear to play on the rookie-level Arizona League team while others will be assigned to short-season Single-A Mahoning Valley.

Extended spring training is professional baseball in its rawest form. In a lot of ways, it is much like what Bill Murray’s character experienced in the movie “Groundhog Day”. Each player is always ready for whatever happens next as they could be moved up to a full season team at any minute. In the end, they are there to do their time, improve and move to the next level so they can continue their dream of being a Major League baseball player.

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User Comments

December 4, 2015 - 10:21 PM EST

"Sally League" is only a nickname for the South Atlantic League (SAL), a full-season Class A (not A-Advanced) league.
May 26, 2015 - 6:29 PM EDT
Tony, a big Thank You!!!! I have been peppering my team's beat writers for years about this topic, and never got a reply or saw an article. This is great reporting and great information. It is a topic that isn't covered, and you provided great insight not just into what EST is, but what it is like, the flavor and feel of it. One quick question - is the half season league known as a Sally League?
Thanks, and I will keep you in my bookmarked reading list!
August 19, 2012 - 6:11 PM EDT
Tony, you're always amazing how quickly you reply and the candid nature of your posts.

So if you're a player in this situation what do you do? I think team control probably only runs another year. Do you just have to get free and find another system where you might have a better opportunity? You look at a team like the Astros and you'd think every minor leaguer would want to go there! Of course in this case their lone all-star happens to be at 2b. Reading into what you're saying it sounds like even finishing the season with the current level of performance probably doesn't produce a promotion to AAA for 2013.

I must admit, if my own son were to ever be drafted I'd probably tell him to just take a pass, get his degree, and build a regular career. But I do admire these young guys for pursuing their dreams.
August 19, 2012 - 4:32 PM EDT
Lawson is not an option for a September callup. He's a lower priority player and has a guy in Kipnis that starts at 2B in Cleveland, a higher priority guy in Phelps (who is a much better prospect) in Triple-A starting at 2B, and they have Jason Donald mixing in as depth. Just not an option, especially with 40-man rosters so limited with space. He's have a very good year which is good to see, but again, he is not a top prospect and he is living the frustrations of AA/AAA where it is very hard to make the big leagues even with performance.
August 19, 2012 - 8:34 AM EDT
Hey Tony,

Matt Lawson seems to be having a great year - his best yet since rejoining Akron. He'd lead the league in hitting if he had enough plate appearances to qualify.

With the Indians out of it would they give someone like Lawson a September callup and if not that why haven't they moved him to AAA?
May 10, 2012 - 1:57 PM EDT
Randy, if an organization does it right, no kid ever knows if they are an organizational guy or a prospect. It all players are coaches and treated the same, then they otherwise don't know. The organization can't just flat out tell a player they are an organizational guy and they have zero chance to become a true ML option, because it they did that then most players would simply just retire. There has to be a belief that there is a payoff in the end, so the organization will always be vague with the players about value and never truly discuss stuff like that. Which is why to determine value you have to listen to what is being said between the line lines and also look at how players are used and assigned. For example, if a guy has true value, he doesn't repeat Low-A a second straight year, or he doesn't start in extended spring training unless he is rehabbing injury or is a young high profile arm they are trying to monitor workload.

Coming out of the draft it is hard to tell, but the signing bonus is a clear indication (not the round). If a guy is getting less than six figures, then he is deemed to have less value in the industry (otherwise he could have commanded more). There is no much more to it, but usually only 5-10 draft picks are true prospects while the other 20-30 that are signed out of the draft or as UDFAs are simply just organizational filler so that they can field minor league teams.
May 9, 2012 - 5:47 PM EDT
Tony, how would a kid coming out know if he was viewed as a prospect or organizational guy? I assume draft position would tell you so if that's the case what round do you think the line is for a prospect vs organizational guy for both high school and college player?
April 23, 2012 - 10:42 AM EDT
Randy, yes, there is a big difference. I think part of the problem is that people spend too much time looking at stats when evaluating minor leaguers, when in fact it is one of the last components viewed when teams evaluate minor leaguers on their major league potential. Sure, they want the player to perform, but ultimately the only thing a team cares about is how their tools and abilities translate to the big league game. The minor league stats often do not translate, it is the talent that does. This is why so many people have a hard time understanding why so and so player that dominates or does well in the minors never get a ML shot. I can't speak for the Barney situation since he is from another organization, but I do know he was a highly touted draft pick from the 4th round, got $225K and was annually in the Cubs Top 30 prospect listing before getting a Major League callup. He was simply a more valued player because of his all around abilities. He doesn't do anything great, but he can play just about anywhere in the infield, handles the bat well, is a winner, and has all the intangibles teams like in guys. As for Lawson....I am not saying he will never have a chance....but if I am being honest and realistic about his future bases on his value in the industry, his tools/abilities/intangibles, and so on....he just has almost no chance of ever making it. He's not alone, as I would say about half of the 200 guys in the Indians system - or any system for that matter - are organizational players. Yes, about 100 guys. That's normal. The brutal reality of it all is that only about 40-50 players in any organization are truly viewed as "prospects" and legit ML options down the road. The rest are just guys to fill out minor league rosters so they can have teams so they can develop their prospects. Some of those "non-prospects" can jump onto the scene and become a prospect (and likewise prospects can fall into the non-prospect category), but this is usually bases on their development as a player and not because of statistical success.
April 23, 2012 - 9:34 AM EDT
Hey Tony you say Lawson has no big league shot with the Indians. How much of a players chances rest with the organization?

Take someone like the Cubs Darwin Barney. About the same age with similar minor league numbers. Lawson has more power and Barney is a little more efficient base stealer although that hasn't been much of a factor in the majors. Barney got less than 200 plate appearances at AAA but he's now the everyday Cub second baseman.

Is it right place, right time for Barney? What is the difference between a guy like Barney who got a chance with a weak team and broke through and players like Lawson?

If a player like Lawson has no shot why do we keep him? Wouldn't we be better off giving someone with a shot the opportunity?

What are organizational players and how many of them are there on a AA or AAA team?
April 20, 2012 - 1:03 AM EDT
April 20, 2012 - 1:00 AM EDT
Could you please send me a list of players in EST? Thanks!
April 10, 2012 - 10:46 AM EDT
Lawson is in extended spring training and is more just depth right now. Kind of a guy in-waiting for an injury to an infielder at Columbus or Akron. Organizational guy and I would not expect him to be anything more than that at Columbus or Akron. Being completely honest and direct, he has no big league shot with the Indians.
April 9, 2012 - 9:52 AM EDT
What is Cleveland saying about Matt Lawson, who retired last season after battling some nagging injuries, but is now back and feeling good in extended spring training?
April 3, 2012 - 11:15 AM EDT
Jorge, yes, I will be providing periodic updates on what is going on out in extended spring training. Hard to do it often since I am not out there and the team does not provide releases on what is happening....but I will be talking to the Indians regularly and will try to get updates as we go along.
April 3, 2012 - 11:09 AM EDT
Hi Tony, we will have info of extended spring training ?
April 2, 2012 - 8:38 PM EDT
Ha, Frank, I know you will be there!
April 2, 2012 - 2:39 PM EDT
yeah frank is the superfan, u can usually find him there. the indians should hire that guy he knows like everyone!
April 2, 2012 - 10:43 AM EDT
They will have at least one occasional fan there. Me.

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